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In a nearly hour-long interview on the Freakonomics Radio podcast, General Motors CEO Mary Barra talks about the automaker’s electric vehicle strategy and President Donald Trump, among many other topics.

One of the main subjects is GM’s aggressive push to bring electric vehicles to market faster than it anticipated. 

But Stephen Dubner, host of Freakonomics Radio, pointed out that despite GM’s announcement last month that it will bring 30 EVs to market by 2025, up from its initial target to bring 20 EVs to market by 2023, it is at the same time scaling up production of the profitable full-size internal combustion engine pickups and large SUVs.

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